(SOLVED)Is there a list of changes between 3.7.1 and 3.7.3?

[SmaRTeY]

Hmmm, this is going a bit off-topic but ohwell.
I think it is allowed to 'Fork' Osclass on Github and start a seperate development track like Open Office => Libre Office and many other scripts.
So if there are people willing to do so.....

On the other hand, Osclass offers theme and plugin creators a lot of opportunities to expand or change functionality and make a little money for the coding that goes into it. I do agree that the renewal functionality could be implemented in core with some specific admin configuration options but here also, a plugin can do the same. Having plugins being able to do this it also means more renewal functionality options to chose from instead of having 1 core (static) renewal functionality in place.
_CONEJO has mentioned this as well, there are MANY wishes when it comes to renewal of ads and as such there's never 1 'system' satisfying the mass so therefor it seems smart to have several plugins available where future Osclass admins can chose from.

So what could be *nice* to do in this case is add a *free* basic renewal plugin. This would mean Osclass not missing this basic option yet still offering plugin creators to come up with more advanced alternatives to chose from, win-win? I mean it is nice we are offered a Google Map plugin but I think many would rather have a free basic renewal plugin.

For theme & plugin creators Osclass is a big opportunity but it needs to focus on getting more marketshare in the classifieds 'market'.
I think Osclass should set out for becoming the #1 Classifieds script. No doubt whether to go for any other (free) script when it's about classifieds... there can be only one! (I love the 'Highlander' series)

[Aficionado]

Eric,

We are OT but then there is NO forum for general chat about all that (why ?).

Also my "renew" feature was just an example, since it is the more striking one. The second is the Editor. Isn't a good editor part of any core of a CMS ?

I could go on with other features but i guess we all know all that but most don't want to talk about publicly.

An other good example is static page caching for the ads. That only could solve 99% of the speed problems, since ads almost never change until deleted.


 

[SmaRTeY]

Haha, I consider this 'general help'

Well, as I mentioned in other thread, Osclass needs to find and keep balance between 'core' script and what can be offered through plugins and/or themes. Just remember that also theme creators are allowed to offer a better editor with their themes, this is not solely an Osclass core option. Plus there is at least 1 good plugin alternative for editing from dev101.

The static page caching I consider a more 'basic' feature and I would like to see this improved in core as well....somehow.
There could be more and I think it's important to be frank and open about it and to adopt certain things into core but also stay 'basic'.

Eric,

We are OT but then there is NO forum for general chat about all that (why ?).

Also my "renew" feature was just an example, since it is the more striking one. The second is the Editor. Isn't a good editor part of any core of a CMS ?

I could go on with other features but i guess we all know all that but most don't want to talk about publicly.

An other good example is static page caching for the ads. That only could solve 99% of the speed problems, since ads almost never change until deleted.

[Aficionado]

Haha, I consider this 'general help'

I came to Osclass around 2011-12 after 6 years with this

http://www.4u2ges.com/classified_software_features.asp

an Microsoft ASP script (now discontinued for ages). Considering the script was first introduced around 2004, it was extremely advanced.

[_CONEJO]

Why is Osclass missing X feature?

We want to make Osclass as flexible as possible, so when there are multiple solutions of vews about something, we prefer to left space for plugins.


Renewal: Renew a listing should have the same ID? a different ID? could an user renews unlimited times a listings? should we limit the renews per day/month/... ? Does renews cost money? how much? how does the user pay? ... There are multiple questions and configuration for this feature, including it in the core would make the admin more complex (lots of settings) and harder to maintain/develop.


Editor: There are multiple "editor" out there, from tinyMCE; CKEditor, aloha, webodf, mercury and those are the heavy weight,  there are even more not so famous like froala wymeditor, jhtmlarea, squire,.... why limit to one? why not let you choose which one do you want/need?


Are "payments" important to a classifieds website? yes, but again, how we do implement it? there are many people asking for many different features and payment processors, including it in the core will not please everyone, make harder to maintain/develop/update, ... And this happens with a lot of features. Imagine there's some issue with some of this and you are required to update your whole website because it's a core feature.


I really would like to see more developers doing this kind of plugins

[Aficionado]

Renewal: Renew a listing should have the same ID? a different ID? could an user renews unlimited times a listings? should we limit the renews per day/month/... ? Does renews cost money? how much? how does the user pay? ... There are multiple questions and configuration for this feature, including it in the core would make the admin more complex (lots of settings) and harder to maintain/develop.

The fact is that there is no Renew plugin, apart from one of Cartagena68's that is not even available at Market.

[Aficionado]

Editor: There are multiple "editor" out there, from tinyMCE; CKEditor, aloha, webodf, mercury and those are the heavy weight,  there are even more not so famous like froala wymeditor, jhtmlarea, squire,.... why limit to one? why not let you choose which one do you want/need?

I consider that an editor shoud/could be in the core.

Instead of that, we have an exteremly outdated plugin (RichTextEditor) that use a hack (as dev101 said) and also a second instance of TinyMCE (also very old) for the admin part.

And to close all this, do you ever TALK to any developer from here ? Because they may not post here (and leave me take all the blast) BUT in private some of them ask/talk about all that. Deeply.

Because we care.

[SmaRTeY]

Working on more plugins....

I really would like to see more developers doing this kind of plugins

[SmaRTeY]

I agree with Aficionado that it should be there considering the need for the script being up-to standards but I don't care if it is core or plugin.
I also agree with _CONEJO with regard to having more options available with plugins than 1 in core (which indeed also has to be maintained and it IS Open Source so time related to keeping the script up-to-date IS of the essence).

Now I don't know about the CKEditor(?) plugin dev101 created but that looks like a decent editor to me, it has good reviews from what I could see so is there really the need for a new plugin that is actually the same and already available??

I consider that an editor shoud/could be in the core.

[marius-ciclistu]

My oppinion is to deliver osclass with some free usefull plugins for basic needs as opencart script does. In this way both sides can be pleased.

Oh and with core fixes for not working subject in email_send_friend kind of stuff.

PS.
By the way the google map plugin has something in 3.7.1 because I couldn't get it to work even if i generated the API from google, so I disabled it.There are some topics in forums about that, but for me that plugin is irrelevant.

[Aficionado]

I agree with Aficionado that it should be there considering the need for the script being up-to standards but I don't care if it is core or plugin.
I also agree with _CONEJO with regard to having more options available with plugins than 1 in core (which indeed also has to be maintained and it IS Open Source so time related to keeping the script up-to-date IS of the essence).

Now I don't know about the CKEditor(?) plugin dev101 created but that looks like a decent editor to me, it has good reviews from what I could see so is there really the need for a new plugin that is actually the same and already available??

So what you actually say is that in 2017, we must have a third party Editor plugin for Osclass ? Or stay with a very-very old version of TinyMCE (Richtext Editor plugin) ?

[SmaRTeY]

Hmmm, I don't know what's wrong with the use of a third party editor, I think WP also uses 3rd party editors in their editor plugins and there are many available, all offered as plugin. But there is one added for free to basic scripts.

Anyway, I mentioned up-to-standards, if this can simply be achieved with a plugin that would be fine by me. But I do think Osclass needs to be alert on their 'assets'. Take JQuery for example, Osclass is still on 1.x while we have JQuery 3.2.1 now as latest lib. So it would be nice to see Osclass move forward on this matter since browsers also keep moving forward. Interesting read: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/38129003/jquery-1-vs-jquery-3-legacy-browser

My up-to-standard definition is: modern / responsive / quality / easy in use and simply doing the job it's expected to do.
Even a 3rd party plugin that offers the UX needed to publish great ads would be just fine imo.

I agree with Aficionado that it should be there considering the need for the script being up-to standards but I don't care if it is core or plugin.
I also agree with _CONEJO with regard to having more options available with plugins than 1 in core (which indeed also has to be maintained and it IS Open Source so time related to keeping the script up-to-date IS of the essence).

Now I don't know about the CKEditor(?) plugin dev101 created but that looks like a decent editor to me, it has good reviews from what I could see so is there really the need for a new plugin that is actually the same and already available??

So what you actually say is that in 2017, we must have a third party Editor plugin for Osclass ? Or stay with a very-very old version of TinyMCE (Richtext Editor plugin) ?

[Aficionado]

Hmmm, I don't know what's wrong with the use of a third party editor, I think WP also uses 3rd party editors in their editor plugins and there are many available, all offered as plugin. But there is one added for free to basic scripts.

Anyway, I mentioned up-to-standards, if this can simply be achieved with a plugin that would be fine by me. But I do think Osclass needs to be alert on their 'assets'. Take JQuery for example, Osclass is still on 1.x while we have JQuery 3.2.1 now as latest lib. So it would be nice to see Osclass move forward on this matter since browsers also keep moving forward. Interesting read: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/38129003/jquery-1-vs-jquery-3-legacy-browser

My up-to-standard definition is: modern / responsive / quality / easy in use and simply doing the job it's expected to do.
Even a 3rd party plugin that offers the UX needed to publish great ads would be just fine imo.

I'm afraid there are a lot of things that are VERY OLD with Osclass. Not only JQ version.

[SmaRTeY]

I agree and I hope Osclass 'team' will focus on Bender theme quality (php7.1+), more 'hooks' and 'assets' LifeCycleManagement coming release(s).