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[Montekhristo]

Ufff incredibile !

We split up into two parts and ripartiamo.

1. wallapop great site, this under OSClass script and has high level of web traffic, I do not want to do a stupid question, but
How many more examples like wallapop OSClass exist? Somebody knows ?

2. $ 40 million to promote a web as wallapop ??
I'm not really internalized as a startup drives a website, but the $ 40 millions?

1000 anuncios. com was sold at 100 million in 2014 (50 in cash and 50 in actions.) ...

I think,
1000 Anuncios 65 million hits per month = $ 100 million ..
Wallapop         3.6 million hits per month = $ 40 million investment .... 

If anyone knows, I appreciate the explanation ..

Saludos !

[Web-Media]

Like i said : it's the people who drives forward the idea , the cms ( (php script ) from behind only helps developers) .
  Why do you need more examples ? it helps you reaching the "heights" without hard work  and a good team ?
Yes there are many more examples . some 10-30 worlds class websites using customized versions or not ( you can easily replicate their structure and functions with osclass(there is no restriction of what can be done using osclass) ) .

Osclass is very versatile, with a fast learning curve, a competitor for every known cms or framewok (i can mention 50 tested with their limitations ) in terms of capability,speed ,memory usage,extensibility( by plugins & themes)(the  osclass market offer just a piece of what can be done).
 What can you achieve with a  "little" or " some hard" effort  :
       a blog plugin : Yes Wordpress can be installed and works as osclass plugin (not side by side install ,but wordpress a full working plugin of Osclass . Yes  you can use "almost" all Wordpress plugins & themes inside "wordpress as plugin"
      a shop plugin : Yes Opencart  can be "transformed" into a fully functional Osclass  plugin .
     a forum plugin : ... etc ,
    a news plugin  : ... etc ,
     modules besides plugins =>

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define('LIB_PATH', ABS_PATH . 'inc/');
define('CONTENT_PATH', ABS_PATH . 'content/');
define('THEMES_PATH', CONTENT_PATH . 'themes/');
define('PLUGINS_PATH', CONTENT_PATH . 'plugins/');
define('TRANSLATIONS_PATH', CONTENT_PATH . 'languages/');
define('MODULES_PATH', ABS_PATH . 'modules/');
define('CSS_PATH', ABS_PATH . 'static/css/');
define('JS_PATH', ABS_PATH . 'static/js/');


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  switch( Params::getParam('page') )
    {
case ('search'):    // search
                            require_once(MODULES_PATH . 'search/controller/search.php');
                            $do = new CWebSearch();
                            $do->doModel();
        break;
    case ('message'):  //  www.mywebsite/index.php?page=message or www.mywebsite/message  (with permalinks )
                            require_once(MODULES_PATH . 'message/controller/message.php');
                            $do = new CWebMessage();
                            $do->doModel();
        break;
    case ('mailbox'):      // www.mywebsite/index.php?page=mailbox or www.mywebsite/mailbox(with permalinks )
                            require_once(MODULES_PATH . 'mailbox/controller/mailbox.php');
                            $do = new CWebMailbox();
                            $do->doModel();
        break;
    case ('page'):      // pages
                            require_once(MODULES_PATH . 'page/controller/page.php');
                            $do = new CWebPage();
                            $do->doModel();
        break; . 

It can be broken down in parts  and reassembled => still working =>faster & better ( 6mb ram/page  & Lightning fast  without cache enabled    (don't ask how   ). 
You are missing your favorite script ?
 Your favorite framework ?  (witch one ?  Zend ? codeigniter ? kohana ? laravel? silex ? symfony ? )
 it can be included in matter of minutes/hours(days)(maybe reinvent the wheel is needed sometimes (the knowledge & previous experience  can help )) .
 And many ,many,many,many more goodies 
Who needs   plugins ?  osclass can be used as  blog , shop , forum ,news script ,you can name more .
  Only limited by developer skills,knowledge,ability & time .
    What is missing then  to grow faster & faster ?
 

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The "vision" of osclass core  developers as they see osclass  only as  a classified script not a fully working cms .  Ps :  you can switch anytime to wordpress ,but don't grow too much because they are not cheap .
   See wordpress vip services  :
https://vip.wordpress.com/our-services/
   

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Pricing
Prices are per support seat per year unless otherwise stated.
   When you sign up for WordPress.com VIP Support, you will designate a support contact who will have access on behalf of your organization.
   Basic
    $15,000
    1 business day response time

    Premium
    $75,000
    12 hour response time
    Priority Support
    Dedicated Account Manager

    Platinum
    $150,000
    6 hour response time
    Priority Support
    Dedicated Account Manager

    Enterprise
    $250,000
    4 hour response time
    Also includes 6 escalation tickets with 1-hour response time
    Priority Support
    Dedicated Account Manager

    One-Time
    $5,000
    1 business day response time
    Support for one incident for up to 15 business days

                         
     Meanwhile some house cleaning (forum rules,market rules,user & developer  Content and Conduct Policy ) is required !

[Aficionado]

@Web-media There is nothing wrong to dream on 

[Web-Media]

@Aficionado  indeed dreams are free . 
 Just like someone said :
    Think Big !  A Big Dream === a Small Dream . Only resources to achieve the Big Dream is way more costly .

 

[SmaRTeY]

You might have a point Montekhristo but I would like to add some comments:

There are countless questions that are not necessary if documentation is read or a smart forum search was done. The same goes for crappy hosting providers which were chosen because of their price and nothing else causing stupid issues.

It is true the forum has little Osclass devs interaction which is a pitty but also has been mentioned in forums as well.....besides the underlying reasons it is not only Osclass devs but Osclass 'community' that choses to help or not to help eachother.
The ultimate goal could well be a silent forum meaning there are no issues, no questions only a big fat User Voice which Osclass devs can chose from while working on a new version.

For me the forums is a nice way to talk about Osclass issues or issues I run into trying to make improvements and learn Osclass/php better. The years I have been active now I have seen many improvements luckily which have improved quality and user experience. Same goes for Theme creators, wow....respect for those having put much time in creating beautiful classified themes.
Even now OsclassWizards is a great free theme that deserves a lot of credits if you ask me.

Now since forum rules mention we developers can still offer support here in forums what's wrong with the rule of offering plugins only through Osclass Market for same quality reasons? I mean even free plugins will be reviewed meaning serious Osclass users can get a better sense of quality for plugins/themes offered. How can one be against that?
The market is a very user friendly and a great way to keep an eye on quality and offer both developers and users a single point of Market. The 30% commission is a bit steep but in my experience it is worth the money. Why? I get great feedback with regard to any issues in code I might have which helps me prevent offering 'bad' plugins which in turn would cost me a GREAT deal of time explaining and correcting in forums. And last but not least, developers can offer their products directly to possible buyers using the Market. Sure I can quickly create a website and setup a sales system for people to buy plugins BUT then I would have to compete with Osclass market, maintain my website, lack Osclass quality control, put in continuous marketing time etc.
Potential buyers get great deals in Market compared to prices in WP/Joomla/Classibase/etc. projects and personally, if I offer something 'premium' in Market I simply pick a revenue I want and I add the 30% commission to get the price that is fine with me.

there are hundreds of post that have never been answered ...

What do i mean by this ?

that if we remove all interaction that developers give every day for products that are not in the market, this forum began to die.

countless posts who died in the first message, that have never been answered, nor OSClass equipment, or by any participant.

I believe that from the moment that there is a forum, script developers have an obligation to keep and provide answers to users.

Imagine that we put on our web forum and does not respond to users.
So to put the forum?

I've seen dozens of participants throughout this time, they began and ended with OSClass using wordpress, clasipress or WooCommerce ...

This is the bad support provided by the team OSClass.

I clarify! it is not a complaint, it is a simple appreciation or very personal point of view.

[Aficionado]

@Eric

What i see here happening is Osclass Forums been neglected for years and now all of a sudden i see locked threads and links/signatures filtering.

What changed i wonder ?

Why all that energy wasn't used for the last 2-3 years in the forums, to reply to problems, give information, move threads to proper forums, BAN people ? etc etc etc ?

Even the Report Abuse wasn't monitored and we had to email directly ......

I have a lot to write, but i won't. Because every time we critisize something, it is considered as negative and the thread is locked, and i hate that.

[SmaRTeY]

Hmmmzzz I guess that is something I can not deny Aficionado but I do think it is related to earlier explanations with regard to Osclass devs.
It is a fact there has been little input from Osclass devs in general and communication could be way different/better but to be honest I do not follow WP so I have nothing to compare this against. I understand your point.

[Montekhristo]

@Web-Media It is obvious that success is behind people ....

what I meant it is, if we want a "stunning" made with Wordpress site, magento, vbulletin, Joomla, etc etc are many.

Do as much flaunt what you can do with OSClass not answer my question, and hits like wallapop, they can be found even with a php script that does not need any known script.

Wallapop could well be developed with another script, success would be the same, perhaps hosting would need more resources, but would walk alike.

My approach is closer to what it says @SmaRTeY and @Aficionado



Does anyone know the fable of the rabbit and the turtle?

Well ... Wordpress, is the turtle, but tried hard and come to a clear and objective goal, had a success that goes beyond the "lack" of quality in its code.

OSClass, is the rabbit, it can be everything, but no longer lose time (while the turtle proceeded without stopping ...

Does anyone know Simple Machines Forum? Yeah, as if the script for this forum ...

SMF is much better than OSClass, it is much better than WP, it is much better than many payment scripts for forums ... but its developers have been wrong a lot.

SMF developers are very present in the forums, but they are very picky, very stubborn, and if not as they want it, then deny support ...


in conclusion,

I believe that such a measure should not be taken from one day to another, and should be progressive in a time of opportunity for users and participants to adapt to,
because well, it seems a violent measure,

and hurts.

Now, if after this, developers continue with the same policy of low participation in the forum, really all it is worse, and hurt more.


Saludos ;-)

[Web-Media]

You are  very wrong . You can always propose a good  documentented idea or make a pull request on github with quality code and  a general solution to a problem or issue.  . Not particular solution for your needs . Code will be accepted and merged into the core . 
Forum rules are required because there is a lack of conduit from users and developers .
To say the truth . Some "developers" with their very first plugin wanna cash . Copy paste code ,full of bugs ,not tested enough , and script kiddies solutions for simple things . Plugin wanna_ be . echo" item wanna be" . 5 euros.. let promote on forum and cash some $$$ ... they cannot provide at least support for their plugin -"work".
this kind of 20 min work will bring 100 bad forum posts . This bad forum posts  and script kiddies (copy paste developers ) hurts others , hurts osclass name and value.
Be sure that if any tony marston , or php guru will post something GOOD (paid stuff)on forums  , the topic will not be locked .
As you noticed it is very hard to get into wordpress plugins oficial list even with a free plugin or theme .
There is code quality and they check more stuffs .
Plugins  or theme here can only be allowed the free ones . Period.

[Montekhristo]

I'm wrong ?

Or you answered what you like to believe?

My question, my wont, was referring to something else.

I do not understand where you point your answer, perhaps you do not interpret what I have raised.

I ask, how many places of success there with OSClass.

No matter "who" is behind the site, if there is a successful group behind geniuses, or just lucky that put the script and achieving success.

Any group work seriously can achieve success, whether OSClass, or any other script (no matter the cost or quality of the code and plugins.).

And you, insist on talking about the success of the people behind the script ...

To me, I'm just interested to know how many sites use OSClass success!.

The people behind the site does not interest me, because the success of them sometimes depends on other factors and not dependent on the script of their choice.

[DrizzleThemes]

@Web-Media do you mean wallapop using osclass?

I think not. Pop theme is made inspired by that website.

[Aficionado]

@Web-Media

So what you say is that if you have a Forum with problematic users and developers, you should lock the forum threads and kill the forum/the users/the script.

I must say here that you have no idea how a Forum should be run, and apparently the Osclass team also. You can't leave a Forum to Auto-Pilot OR you can't be a dictator as admin/moderator.

Again, i would like to see the available ENERGY to be spend to the future of Osclass (if any) and not locking threads.

Spend the ENERGY to COMMUNICATE with the COMMUNITY, istead of snobish-ly locking a thread after having the last word.

[Web-Media]

Some rules from Wordpress :
Available here : https://codex.wordpress.org/Forum_Welcome  .
wordpress is  the dictator. so far on osclass forum is Democracy .
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[Aficionado]

To me, I'm just interested to know how many sites use OSClass success!.

Well, my take on this is that i don't know anyone. But maybe they are just hiding and not participating in the forums. They are filthly rich, enjoying the success of their site 

But if a classifieds website is sucessfull or not, has nothing to do with the script. Any script.

[Aficionado]

@Web_Media

Don't compare Wordpress forums with these Forums.