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Development / Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying

« Last post by Dimal on August 08, 2019, 09:49:57 pm »

WordPress has massive support, that's true. However, out of the box regarding classifieds you really have to pull a lot mods to get what Osclass has out of the box. And then, for everything you need another plugin, since WP is virtually blank slate out of the box. Yes, there are tons of them (and many that you see, are not really free, because advanced features are payed - and for any pro service you need them), but there are compatibility issues sometimes, so you need more time to waste what works with what and so on. And, security related, many of those critical plugins are often hacked and exposed (granted, they eventually get updated, if not abandoned). As in every software, maintenance is the huge part of the deal, whether you'll hire someone, or rely on 3rd parties, that's up to you. I'm not saying WP is a bad idea, just that it has inverted counterpoints when compared to Osclass in many areas. Also, in Osclass you can really do some mods easy with functions etc. In WP not always you can pull it that way, solutions feel 'hacky' at best.

The problem is not what you mention above, the problem is that you CAN'T exactly replicate Osclass in WP. You can't. Maybe it is a plugin thing, maybe something else, i dunno. The existing WP plugins just can't. I have even tried some "directory" plugins to turn them to classifieds, the result is poor.

The results are visually great but not good for structure and ads etc etc.

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Development / Re: Custom field search

« Last post by Sophia_OS on August 08, 2019, 09:19:39 pm »

I wrote with red that I updated it.

Try to focus on the part that I changed and see why it is not working.

I tried but couldn't fix it! Please help to fix this code. Thanks

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Development / Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying

« Last post by Saint Michael on August 08, 2019, 09:13:32 pm »

Once, just for the fun and out of curiosity when I had plenty of free time, I replicated Osclass with WordPress and GPL plugins. Most of it was done. Interesting most time went not on functions and options Osclass has. But on blocks, layout and design. Trying to make it not to look alike Osclass theme, layout.

My personal opinion is this way is way more powerful because of WP handling of custom fields, now Gutenberg, filters, actions to extend it, etc. I would advice theoretically allways to start new classifieds script from WordPress scratch, then to continue with Osclass. Bigger community, bigger support, money invested in community is not an issue.

Takes time, it is true. But I think it is more rewarding at the end.

The PLUS of (trying) to make a Wordpress for classifieds, is the HUGE ammount of plugins for EVERYTHING. Also some great themes that make your site visually appealing. Also you can have a Blog, a Forum, all in one.

BUT, Wordpress is not designed for Classifieds. It can "behave" like a Classifieds but lacks a LOT. Also the 2 plugins for classifieds i found (the most popular) are not good. Nothing not even close to Osclass.

There are some themes for WP that are specific for classifieds, but they are paid and i can't test.

 Also pls do not post Wordpress links etc, they are deleted !

Maybe I was not clear enough. I made it not from some classifieds plugin (did not even look at them). Took different plugins for whole different purposes, than directly classifieds, and tweaked and adapted them to Osclass replica. And tried not to touch core code of plugins and WP, except for one old, abandoned plugin for valuta conversions directly on site.

I think WooCommerce is bright example. Relatively rich company behind it, it means you can monetize time input. And WooCommerce needs good performance too, so it means WP can deliver it.

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Development / Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying

« Last post by dev101 on August 08, 2019, 09:00:16 pm »

Personally i will get from here

https://github.com/navjottomer/Osclass

the 3.8 modified version and try my luck in a demo site. And see how it goes.

I think that would be a good start for all you developers. Why re-invent the wheel ?

Sure, but there are also 3.8 PRs that needs to be merged. Also, update core libs, remove old unused code etc. I think Bender theme could be replaced with some other free theme as default, upgraded with jquery and other libs (mostly for security). Also, there needs to be a problem of auto-updating resolved, because, novice users might not be that knowledgeable.

GitHub is not a CDN... but could be used. Also, premium themes and plugins update management -- how will users know? So, you see, "minor" things become complex easily

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Development / Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying

« Last post by dev101 on August 08, 2019, 08:54:05 pm »

WordPress has massive support, that's true. However, out of the box regarding classifieds you really have to pull a lot mods to get what Osclass has out of the box. And then, for everything you need another plugin, since WP is virtually blank slate out of the box. Yes, there are tons of them (and many that you see, are not really free, because advanced features are payed - and for any pro service you need them), but there are compatibility issues sometimes, so you need more time to waste what works with what and so on. And, security related, many of those critical plugins are often hacked and exposed (granted, they eventually get updated, if not abandoned). As in every software, maintenance is the huge part of the deal, whether you'll hire someone, or rely on 3rd parties, that's up to you. I'm not saying WP is a bad idea, just that it has inverted counterpoints when compared to Osclass in many areas. Also, in Osclass you can really do some mods easy with functions etc. In WP not always you can pull it that way, solutions feel 'hacky' at best.

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Development / Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying

« Last post by Dimal on August 08, 2019, 08:51:28 pm »

Personally i will get from here

https://github.com/navjottomer/Osclass

the 3.8 modified version and try my luck in a demo site. And see how it goes.

I think that would be a good start for all you developers. Why re-invent the wheel ?

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Development / Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying

« Last post by Dimal on August 08, 2019, 08:43:32 pm »

https://blog.osclass.org/2012/05/11/osclass-vs-classipress-which-platform-should-you-choose-for-your-classifieds-site/

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Development / Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying

« Last post by Dimal on August 08, 2019, 08:39:12 pm »

Once, just for the fun and out of curiosity when I had plenty of free time, I replicated Osclass with WordPress and GPL plugins. Most of it was done. Interesting most time went not on functions and options Osclass has. But on blocks, layout and design. Trying to make it not to look alike Osclass theme, layout.

My personal opinion is this way is way more powerful because of WP handling of custom fields, now Gutenberg, filters, actions to extend it, etc. I would advice theoretically allways to start new classifieds script from WordPress scratch, then to continue with Osclass. Bigger community, bigger support, money invested in community is not an issue.

Takes time, it is true. But I think it is more rewarding at the end.

The PLUS of (trying) to make a Wordpress for classifieds, is the HUGE ammount of plugins for EVERYTHING. Also some great themes that make your site visually appealing. Also you can have a Blog, a Forum, all in one.

BUT, Wordpress is not designed for Classifieds. It can "behave" like a Classifieds but lacks a LOT. Also the 2 plugins for classifieds i found (the most popular) are not good. Nothing not even close to Osclass.

There are some themes for WP that are specific for classifieds, but they are paid and i can't test.

 Also pls do not post Wordpress links etc, they are deleted !

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Development / Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying

« Last post by Saint Michael on August 08, 2019, 08:31:27 pm »

Once osclass is shut down, I will pull the plug on all of my classified ads websites.  There is no alternative for osclass.  Be prepared to scrap all of your osclass websites.  The truth is, probably 99% of osclass users are not generating any money whatsoever.  That being said, no one will miss osclass.

I will be relieved when I am forced to scrap all of my sites.   Its an effort to keep the classifieds visible.  I spend most of my time trying to find new users.  Thats a full time job.  If I wasnt actively involved everyday, my osclass sites would quickly turn into a ghost town.

Once, just for the fun and out of curiosity when I had plenty of free time, I replicated Osclass with WordPress and GPL plugins. Most of it was done. Interesting most time went not on functions and options Osclass has. But on blocks, layout and design. Trying to make it not to look alike Osclass theme, layout.

My personal opinion is this way is way more powerful because of WP handling of custom fields, now Gutenberg, filters, actions to extend it, etc. I would advice theoretically allways to start new classifieds script from WordPress scratch, then to continue with Osclass. Bigger community, bigger support, money invested in community is not an issue.

Takes time, it is true. But I think it is more rewarding at the end.

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Development / Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying

« Last post by Dimal on August 08, 2019, 08:23:52 pm »

Hetzner? No? It's Totohost - https://totohost.hr. The data center is in Germany so it might be connected with them...

ISP: Hetzner Online AG

varazdin.totohost.hr

Germany, Gunzenhausen, Bayern

It IS Hetzner, apparently some reseller you use. The IPs belong to Hetzner datacenters. You should know that a lot of people block IPs from Hetzner, OVH etc because of attacks.