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Development / Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
« Last post by Saint Michael on August 08, 2019, 10:24:19 pm »
WordPress has massive support, that's true. However, out of the box regarding classifieds you really have to pull a lot mods to get what Osclass has out of the box. And then, for everything you need another plugin, since WP is virtually blank slate out of the box. Yes, there are tons of them (and many that you see, are not really free, because advanced features are payed - and for any pro service you need them), but there are compatibility issues sometimes, so you need more time to waste what works with what and so on. And, security related, many of those critical plugins are often hacked and exposed (granted, they eventually get updated, if not abandoned). As in every software, maintenance is the huge part of the deal, whether you'll hire someone, or rely on 3rd parties, that's up to you. I'm not saying WP is a bad idea, just that it has inverted counterpoints when compared to Osclass in many areas. Also, in Osclass you can really do some mods easy with functions etc. In WP not always you can pull it that way, solutions feel 'hacky' at best.

The problem is not what you mention above, the problem is that you CAN'T exactly replicate Osclass in WP. You can't. Maybe it is a plugin thing, maybe something else, i dunno. The existing WP plugins just can't. I have even tried some "directory" plugins to turn them to classifieds, the result is poor.

The results are visually great but not good for structure and ads etc etc.

I did it. Just matter of planing and thinking. For examples, Contact form plugin is just that. Use it for classified reporting, contact seller, after registration or not, contact owner od fite, etc. Why not ?
Custom fields, use it for prices, all classified attributes, photos, seller´s map adress, seller´s video(s), etc. Why not ? Unlimited possibilities. Contact seller via integrated comments.
Not everything is of course done with plugins. Plenty of custom functions code, as example code to limit what seller can see and access.

But enough about that. It is not time and place for it. Just mentioned it as own experience that it is possible. It is hard of course, specially first time. Needs pencil and paper, or PC note, and writing all down and planning, to save (first) time.
Just saying it is a bit safer approach, to not end in few years with the same topic as this one, and complaining about Osclass fork gone.
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Development / Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
« Last post by Dimal on August 08, 2019, 10:22:22 pm »

Try to be more positive for once. We can do it...

Why? Because we all love Osclass.


It is not a matter of positive or negative or pure love. Marius posted above his view.

Anyway, we will se how it goes.
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Development / Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
« Last post by WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 10:14:30 pm »
Undressing is a step that is very easy to perform. I am not concerned with that part much. What I am worried about is the update notification process and such, if the script will have some meaningful life. I mean, it can be stripped from that all-together, of course. Navjot's changes are all good, most of them were known bugs/issues reported here and on official GitHub project, no worries.

Ok then. Also i see that the theme i use (Osclasswizards) is (or will) be moved to github since apparently they left Osclass business also.

That could also replace Bender. After been improved/changed.

What i see is a lot of work and not sure who will do all that. And why.

Anyway, first we must wait to see (if any) response from Osclass team about all that.

Try to be more positive for once. We can do it...

Why? Because we all love Osclass.
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Development / Re: Custom field search
« Last post by marius-ciclistu on August 08, 2019, 10:14:24 pm »
What is not working?
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Development / Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
« Last post by marius-ciclistu on August 08, 2019, 10:12:23 pm »
All this is happening because the script did not produce enough money. So if any of you want to save it to make money, it's a dead end. If you want to save it to build it so it won't need plugins and to have all the funcionalities in it's core then it will survive, but still, will not produce money for the devs.
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Development / Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
« Last post by WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 10:09:59 pm »

Hetzner? No? It's Totohost - https://totohost.hr. The data center is in Germany so it might be connected with them...

ISP: Hetzner Online AG

varazdin.totohost.hr

Germany, Gunzenhausen, Bayern

It IS Hetzner, apparently some reseller you use. The IPs belong to Hetzner datacenters. You should know that a lot of people block IPs from Hetzner, OVH etc because of attacks.

Whatever, no problems at all for 7 years already.
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Development / Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
« Last post by Dimal on August 08, 2019, 10:02:37 pm »
Undressing is a step that is very easy to perform. I am not concerned with that part much. What I am worried about is the update notification process and such, if the script will have some meaningful life. I mean, it can be stripped from that all-together, of course. Navjot's changes are all good, most of them were known bugs/issues reported here and on official GitHub project, no worries.

Ok then. Also i see that the theme i use (Osclasswizards) is (or will) be moved to github since apparently they left Osclass business also.

That could also replace Bender. After been improved/changed.

What i see is a lot of work and not sure who will do all that. And why.

Anyway, first we must wait to see (if any) response from Osclass team about all that.

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Development / Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
« Last post by dev101 on August 08, 2019, 09:57:01 pm »
Undressing is a step that is very easy to perform. I am not concerned with that part much. What I am worried about is the update notification process and such, if the script will have some meaningful life. I mean, it can be stripped from that all-together, of course. Navjot's changes are all good, most of them were known bugs/issues reported here and on official GitHub project, no worries.
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Development / Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
« Last post by Dimal on August 08, 2019, 09:55:47 pm »


Maybe I was not clear enough. I made it not from some classifieds plugin (did not even look at them). Took different plugins for whole different purposes, than directly classifieds, and tweaked and adapted them to Osclass replica. And tried not to touch core code of plugins and WP, except for one old, abandoned plugin for valuta conversions directly on site.

I think WooCommerce is bright example. Relatively rich company behind it, it means you can monetize time input. And WooCommerce needs good performance too, so it means WP can deliver it.

Ok, now it is more clear. Without mentioning names and urls, can you give us an example ? What kind of plugins ?

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Development / Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
« Last post by Dimal on August 08, 2019, 09:53:37 pm »
Personally i will get from here

https://github.com/navjottomer/Osclass

the 3.8 modified version and try my luck in a demo site. And see how it goes.

I think that would be a good start for all you developers. Why re-invent the wheel ?

Sure, but there are also 3.8 PRs that needs to be merged. Also, update core libs, remove old unused code etc. I think Bender theme could be replaced with some other free theme as default, upgraded with jquery and other libs (mostly for security). Also, there needs to be a problem of auto-updating resolved, because, novice users might not be that knowledgeable.

GitHub is not a CDN... but could be used. Also, premium themes and plugins update management -- how will users know? So, you see, "minor" things become complex easily :)


I have no idea what 3.8PRs are  :'(

I get what you say, but it is a START.

Next i guess someone must un-dress Osclass 3.8 from Osclass Market / Updates and generally any connection with Osclass servers.

And the rest you say.

But again this guy at the github has done a lot of work already (you seem to be a developer, are his changes good or bad ?).


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